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I think you could be against Obama without being a complete crackpot. Voight sounds crazy to me.

Yeah, I felt that was the point you were making. I mean, you can say you're against Obama, but the reasons he gave and how he spoke about it sound downright scary and crazy. I don't mind a dissenting opinion, but he took it like 5 steps too far.

I agree with Abrahammy on all that she said about Obama growing into the job. I have faith that he'll have good people around him to help him make the tough decisions and that, unlike our current "pres" he'll listen to them and not lose the smartest and best people around him.

I don't think he sounds any crazier than Rosie O'Donnell

But Rosie is not Angelina's father.

Angie's fall out with her Dad has nothing to do with his politics. They have both talked about the problems and they are much more personal than politics.

I am sure you know the ins and outs better than I do.

Maybe Angie just needs to be kinder to poor old Jon. Have a hug-out. Make Jon's hurt feelings go away the way a good daughter should, instead of being an evil socialist.

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I agree with Abrahammy on all that she said about Obama growing into the job. I have faith that he'll have good people around him to help him make the tough decisions and that, unlike our current "pres" he'll listen to them and not lose the smartest and best people around him.

That is nice you have faith in such an unknown entity with an almost nonexistent track record. I don't know if he will listen to advisors or not based on what I have seen so far. Listening to campaign strategists to get elected is one thing, getting things done is another. If someone can't get the job done on a state level- that does'nt sit well with me thinking things will be any different on a national level.

I think Mccain is kind of a dufus, but did'nt realize he was stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds him publically. I would like to see McCain calling his wife a cunt...do you have a clip of that anyone?

I don't think I necessarily have faith in Obama. I am rolling the dice. I think the odds are better that he will be able to do this than McCain. I think McCain would keep us in Iraq forever, we will never get improvements in health care, he'll appoint more neocon judges to the Supreme Court, and the government of the rich and the oil companies, by the rich and the oil companies, for the rich and the oil companies will not perish from this earth.

We need a sustainable energy policy. Now.
We need health care reform. Now.
We need to stop pouring money into Iraq. Now.
We need to fix the trade deficit that's made the dollar so weak. Now.
We need to start addressing global warming. Now.

I am rolling the dice that Obama will be more likely to do these things. I'd really like to know who his veep is going to be.

I just know that their fall out happened several years ago, around the Billy Bob break-up time, when Angie was living rather recklessly and wild. She has admitted to that. He pleaded for her to get help on the show Access Hollywood. I saw him do that. He was crying and saying how worried he was for her health. She was very upset that he did that publicly. She said she will not forgive him for airing their personal issues on a TV show. I totally understand how she feels about that. I did feel very bad for Jon at the time because he seemed like a very worried Dad who was at his wits end in how to get through to her. No, he didn't go about it the right way and only made it worse. He has also apologized on the same show a few times and begged for forgiveness.

I only know all of this because I watch those entertainment shows pretty religiously and saw all their back and forth interviews about it.

At no point during his pleading with her to get help for her "issues" did he mention her being "an evil socialist".

Luca, NO ONE has a clip of it! It is hearsay from 3 reporters from 1992 who wish to remain "anonymous". Like THAT is proof of anything. Let's ask how many people in the public eye have had lies written about them from "anonymous" sources.

I would guess that if you goodgled his name and the word you would find plenty of info.

I did and all you find out is what the 3 "anonymous" reporters claim they heard in 1992. That is meaningless to me. Anyone can say anything "anonymously" about anyone.

By the way, I do know Jon. He is completely insane. Plus he likes to cry. In acting class every week he would make himself cry. It was a wonder to behold. I knew he had a martyr complex. I just was unaware that he was a crackpot right-wing before.

Well, then I guess his concern for his daughter's well being was all an act. You would know this I assume since you know him.

My recollection was that she did not break off with Jon until Jon started interfering in her relationship with Brad Pitt, long after she stopped doing blood rituals with Billy Bob.

My take was that Brad was going to be perceived as a much more magnanimous person than Jon, which would drive him crazy with jealousy.

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long after she stopped doing blood rituals with Billy Bob.

Um... what?

Angelina and Billy Bob used to wear vials of each other's blood around their necks.

They did lots of weird stuff. Sex with knives. Angie was pretty much a wild child. I used to think she was a bit crazy. I think she is better now.

I wouldn't even presume to guess what Mr. Voight was really feeling and thinking. I have learned since spending time on the internet, that with actors you never know at all what they are really like or if you can believe a word they say. I only stated what I saw on the show and that I don't believe politics played any role in their family troubles.

I don't really care for Jon or "Brangelina". In fact I am bored to tears of "saint Angie".

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We need a sustainable energy policy. Now.
We need health care reform. Now.
We need to stop pouring money into Iraq. Now.
We need to fix the trade deficit that's made the dollar so weak. Now.
We need to start addressing global warming. Now.

I am rolling the dice that Obama will be more likely to do these things. I'd really like to know who his veep is going to be.

I am willing to roll the dice with Obama too IF he proves he is willing to listen to what the people of this country need now and give some appropriate solutions.

I agree with all the points you listed except one-I think we need oil drilling in this country as a short term bandaide now to save all us working families that are living paycheck to paycheck from going broke. The gas prices are affecting food prices and just about everything else that we consumers are buying. I am not saying other green energy exploration should not be vigorously pursued and invested in for the future, but we all know that is going to take time to work out. Something has to be done now and we have the resources to do it in environmentally conscious ways.

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I agree with all the points you listed except one-I think we need oil drilling in this country as a short term bandaide now to save all us working families that are living paycheck to paycheck from going broke. The gas prices are affecting food prices and just about everything else that we consumers are buying. I am not saying other green energy exploration should not be vigorously pursued and invested in for the future, but we all know that is going to take time to work out. Something has to be done now and we have the resources to do it in environmentally conscious ways.

BIG.FAT.WORD!!!!!!

I really do not know enough scientifically, but I believe that wilderness and offshore drilling won't do anything for us for several years (same as alternative energy). In any event, the drilling, even if it helps in 10 years for 50 years, won't help forever. Clearly the whole world needs sustainable non-toxic wnergy.

I need policies that help me economically. I can't say for sure Obama's will, but I do know for sure that McCain's wont (just as Bush's have not, and in fact made my economic situation perilously worse).

The notion that Obama is a socialist is ridiculous. He is far more of a centrist than I would like.

I am not saying drilling here will be any kind of long term solution-and totally agree we need to pursue alternative energy sources for the future. I think the technology is more advanced than we are thinking. We would feel immediate results if regulations and taxes were changed to make the oil that is drilled more accessible.

I guess about the cunt thing...I don't believe any political propaganda unless the sources identify themselves and have the credentials to back up that they are not out to slander someone for their own gain. I don't trust the media to deliver me the entire truth about anything. I have been sucked in too many times by untrue allegations and unreliable information that is published as "the truth" whatever that is.

Call me skeptical and negative...but I don't trust or have faith in any politician or our political system in general. I think it has all gone down the toilet. I think until the system crumbles and a new order emerges, nothing much is going to change. Can any one person or political party do that? I don't think so. But, I do believe we the people do have the power to make tremendous changes.

Unless a leader can figure out how to ask every American to make sacrifices equally-which is almost impossible considering the disparity between the rich, poor, and middle class and the large percentage of taxes that most middle class families are hit with- I don't know where all the money is going to come from to dig us out of the financial hole we are in-even if the spending in Iraq decreases significantly.

Unfortunately, there are no quick fixes for any of the problems on Abrahammy's list. They have been brewing for decades and will take decades to turn around. Even Obama will not be able to get us out of Iraq right away...I bet it will take 1-2 years at best. But, do agree that must be started now at least anyway.

Gosh, I guess we should move this over to the politics section! I did'nt realize I felt quite as strongly about some of this stuff as I do.

I am not a fan of any particular polition. Never have been.

I just know that my life got better when Cllinton was in office and much, much worse when Bush Jr was. Before that I was mostly just an actor (and actors always do better when Dems are the main influence).
Money is so much worse than it was, so much harder, so much more hopeless. More of the same cannot be beneficial to anybody who is not rich.

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think we need oil drilling in this country as a short term bandaide now to save all us working families that are living paycheck to paycheck from going broke.

I totally, completely understand why you feel this way. I get it. Oil prices are KILLING everybody. We all really want them cut in half.

Here's the problem. Off-shore drilling is a paper tiger. It won't provide the relief you want for YEARS. I did a lot of reading about it when the issue came up, and unfortunately, it's being touted as something that will relieve our suffering at the pump in the short term - but it won't. The next president will be up for re-election before we see any oil out of those new wells.

I am moving over to the politics thread. I've got some stuff to get off my chest about the economy.

Please do move it all to the politics thread. I always want to keep trying to come up with what will make things better.

My post about Voight and Jolie was actually meant to be about Voight and Jolie.

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I don't think he sounds any crazier than Rosie O'Donnell

But Rosie is not Angelina's father.

Or...two wrongs don't make a right. In other words, we're saying he's crazy all on his own, not compared to anyone else. Also, that we're not just saying he's crazy because his views are extremely right-wing. He's making sweeping ridiculous statements.

Yeah, what we were saying earlier about actors. First, it is 100% ALWAYS wrong to take a personal family problem and use it to get publicity for yourself. The tears always seemed crocodile to me. He seems like someone who would stoop pretty pretty low to make himself look like a really good guy.

"Saint Angie" isn't doing these things for publicity. Because she's one of the biggest actresses in the world, they follow her everywhere. She didn't just adopt one kid or go on one mission for a photo op. It's how she's living her life. She obviously has a passion for this and found someone who shares her passion. A good match. At least they're not famous for just going to parties and posing. They're not just famous for being famous. They're putting their money where their mouth is.

I'm not saying they are. I am sick of the media making them out that way and covering every single little thing they do like it is a huge world event. Not their fault, but the media has made me so tired of seeing them I turn the channel or the TV off. There are far more important issues than Brad and Angie and their ever growing family. Besides, her comment about Shiloh turned me off to her completely.