American Idol

Heh. That's the one that got him booted. Bring that song up in GS and there will be much gnashing of teeth.

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I just found a video in my files of Constantine singing "How You Remind Me", he really did a good job with that song on Idol.

I'm probably the most pro-Constantine person on this board, and I gotta tell you, the minute he sang that song my hair was standing on end and I voted furiously with substantial fear, because I knew he was in serious trouble. He did not sing that at all well - serious pitch problems. Apparently his first choice didn't clear and he had to choose this at the very last minute. Not enough rehearsal, and it showed.

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Apparently his first choice didn't clear and he had to choose this at the very last minute. Not enough rehearsal, and it showed.

I think it was just a bad song to pick to sing on Idol for anyone. Not that many people out in mainstream America could relate to it or had even heard it for that matter. Just too edgey to get the kind of votes he needed to stay on the show, and some of his fans,like myself thought he could coast on some of his other better performances because Anthony and the other African american gal were'nt all that great either.

I remember thinking at the time it was an odd choice and very risky. I personally like the song, but thought it was a very difficult one to pull off without a band behind you.

When we were talking to Athan after the finale, he kept going on about how damn popular the song was at the time.

It was, but I talk to the Carrie Underwood voters (who make up most of the voters for Idol) and this is not their thing. If people make the mistake of thinking L.A. is everywhere, they're in serious trouble.

AI watchers are not music lovers, nor do they have their finger on the pulse of what's hot. I'm talking in general terms here. Obviously. I watch Idol, so I'm throwing myself in there as well.

If he had to pick a song at the last minute, he should have chosen something he knew really well and didn't really need to rehearse.

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It was, but I talk to the Carrie Underwood voters (who make up most of the voters for Idol) and this is not their thing. If people make the mistake of thinking L.A. is everywhere, they're in serious trouble.

AI watchers are not music lovers, nor do they have their finger on the pulse of what's hot. I'm talking in general terms here. Obviously. I watch Idol, so I'm throwing myself in there as well.

If he had to pick a song at the last minute, he should have chosen something he knew really well and didn't really need to rehearse.

So true, LA sure does not reflect the pulse of middle America. I wonder if listening to Athan's advice may have swayed him to turn down some good offers when they first started coming in. Obviously Athan has not had any success himself on any level, yet seemed to be actively involved in C~'s career decisions. I always wondered about that...

Yes, and I agree picking a song that required less rehearsing may have helped, but picking a popular song that grabbed people 's heart strings or memories would have gotten him even farther I bet.

Athan has some success as the singer for Spahn Ranch a band named after Charles Manson's residence. What with that and Giddle ("the Satan Worshiper", Athan was never even remotely mainstream.

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Athan has some success as the singer for Spahn Ranch a band named after Charles Manson's residence. What with that and Giddle ("the Satan Worshiper", Athan was never even remotely mainstream.

I did'nt realize it was named after Charles Manson's place!
Was that band heavy metal, or hard rock? Some of his other stuff I heard was definitely "alternative" retro and definitely out there...

I think it was called Techno Rock. I know I googled and found clips back when Giddle showed up with Athan on AI but I forget the sound. They also made a truly horrifying music video that they thought was funny which involved snuffing a woman. The image of the snuffed woman was Pray for the Soul of Betty's first logo image.

DAMN! Really? He's such an amiable guy in person! Hilarious too.

I think the thing that's been proven time and again is that GB doesn't much listen to anyone about his career and pretty much does what he wants. I don't even think Athan has that much control. I have it on good authority that certain advantages were offered to him when he was really hot and he didn't take this person up on any of them.

I took Athan to task for the snuff video, and we wound up laughing hilariously about the naivety of youth. He wasn't defensive about it, but did explain that he and his cohorts thought the Manson stuff and the pretend-snuff movie were funny at the time and sort of Andy Warholish. I disagreed, but enjoyed his explanation.

He is a true eccentric, and at least at the time I met him, was very nice.

Giddle is an utter delight, or was until Constantine woudn't let her play with me anymore and she complied.

Athan and Giddle are such true crazy artist-types that I endowed Constantine with similar attributes, which he really doesn't have.

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Athan and Giddle are such true crazy artist-types that I endowed Constantine with similar attributes, which he really doesn't have.

They sound very entertaining indeed! But, you are so right about the C~man...not a true artist in any way. He has some talent, but no soul, so the delivery is not sincere or original.

We were all fooled for a short while, because dood has a certain charm and charisma. And I guess was kind of cute or something. *Gag, cough, sputter*

I really had no interest in him until I saw Giddle with Athan on AI, and Constantine sang the Partridge Family song. I knew of Giddle as a local performance artist kinda crazy entity beforehand. She had a wonderfully absurd Partridge Family pretend-cult and a local cable show.

I now figure that Athan and Giddle came up with the idea of Constantine doing the coolest fuck-the-mainstream song possible.

That Constantine was not in on the joke is what was ultimately so surprising (and confusing, and disappointing). Lil Bro (as Athan called him) is just not very cool at all.

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They sound very entertaining indeed! But, you are so right about the C~man...not a true artist in any way. He has some talent, but no soul, so the delivery is not sincere or original.

Yes! It was quite disheartening to learn he was not the man I thought he was, and I was further disappointed that he wasn't the performer I thought he was. I really thought he was in on the joke. They were doing the Soup thing and showed his performance on B&B and it could have been an AI Ford commercial. He played it exactly the same way. No growth. Nothing. So disappointing.

I could see Athan thinking it was "cool" in his youth. He is quite charming and engaging in person. I think we even asked him to do a NY accent and he did it and then blushed. Very approachable and nice.

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Yes! It was quite disheartening to learn he was not the man I thought he was, and I was further disappointed that he wasn't the performer I thought he was. I really thought he was in on the joke. They were doing the Soup thing and showed his performance on B&B and it could have been an AI Ford commercial. He played it exactly the same way. No growth. Nothing. So disappointing.

Uh huh, finding out he was a jerk was one thing...but, finding out he had no soul or true artistic gift as a musician, combined with not being very bright, was what really ended it for me for good and made me have real distaste for him.

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That Constantine was not in on the joke is what was ultimately so surprising (and confusing, and disappointing). Lil Bro (as Athan called him) is just not very cool at all

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I agree with all of the above. And that comment reminds me of the analogy of "But the King has no clothes" made on GS way back when. That was such an awesome description of some of our realization of just what C~ really was all about. I was still thinking he was "cool" and edgy when he recorded Bohemian Rhapsody on Killer Queen. The promo interview clips for that were really good and portrayed him as cute, artistic, committed, and humble...then it all went down the tubes for me after that moment. Something about his behaviour, demeaner, and choice of material for his live solo performances started to clue me in that he was
not what I thought he was. Too bad he is not more like Athan as far as having the creativity and eccletic vision...he may have been able to make it. He had the look and the voice, just not the rest of the "package".

I agree completely. Him being a personal asshole is one thing...him having no genuine artistic motor is another.

So does Greek speak and Rawk Hands still exist somewhere out in the twilight zone? Anyone else check it out there to see what life forms still exist on that dying planet?

Fraz, are you still banned from TWOP?

Yes, this is 20 questions...want to play?

Still banned from TWOP. I have no idea about the various Constantine sites.

Luca, I believe both still exist. Rawkhands is, of course, infinitely better than GS because I really don't wanna think about what's left at GS...

Frazz, I hear someone from TwoP got banned for a grammatical error!

Both sites still exist; both have extremely low traffic right now because Constantine does not have any solid work leads right now. Since there is nothing to discuss, Rawkhands does not discuss, but they will if anything ever happens. GS spins dreams and wishes, and I have nothing hopeful to offer them. If I say anything even remotely realistic, somebody's going to complain or blueline me, so I will hold my tongue, er, fingers.

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Both sites still exist; both have extremely low traffic right now because Constantine does not have any solid work leads right now. Since there is nothing to discuss, Rawkhands does not discuss, but they will if anything ever happens. GS spins dreams and wishes, and I have nothing hopeful to offer them. If I say anything even remotely realistic, somebody's going to complain or blueline me, so I will hold my tongue, er, fingers.

I guess I am not totally surprized, but in a way I am. The last of the diehards are hanging on to the life rafts for dear life I bet. I wonder what is stopping them from finding another singer from Idol or some other reality show to latch on to and worship unconditionally that actually has some product out there in the marketplace? I mean eventually everyone moves on to greener pastures in the fandom game if the artist never gets a viable career going, don't they?

Although I can remember being a young late teens, early twenties gal who enjoyed meeting and dating (I guess you can call them "dates" ) cute guys in local bands, and following them to gigs etc. many moons ago. Is this internet fandom phenomenon a modern day version of the same thing, only add about 25 years to the average age of the fangirl and make it all cyber reality vs. really going to see the artist or meeting them in person?

I have not been to GS in ages. But I do wonder with me being nosy and all if some of the usual suspects are there or if they are gone as well. I'll admit was smitten by hin but lord it did not take long for it to wear off.

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Is this internet fandom phenomenon a modern day version of the same thing, only add about 25 years to the average age of the fangirl and make it all cyber reality vs. really going to see the artist or meeting them in person

See, I think you answered your question right there, only in reverse. If this blowhard and (in my opinion) no-talent were NOT going on the boards and NOT getting so personal, they would leave his ass behind.

BECAUSE this shmuck is so in need of any kind of attention, even if it's from women old enough to be his mother AND totally delusional, he will go on there and hang onto it. Kinda like a guy who's 50 and has a beer gut and made nothing of his life still talking about the great touchdown he made in high school.

So, he goes on there and lambasts anyone, like our wonderful Abrahammy, who's indeed "realistic" and not "a hater" and the lemmings follow, then they will continue to hold onto the dream. They have invested MUCH time and money into him. They've also invested their souls and so much more into hanging onto this guy who no longer has a career, that to admit defeat and get out of the broken down, rusted, smelly El Camino, would be tantamount to them admitting they were wrong and wasted a lot of time, and that just can't happen. Most of them can't go to the place Abrahammy has because they went way too far to begin with and cannot find a middle ground.

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I have not been to GS in ages. But I do wonder with me being nosy and all if some of the usual suspects are there or if they are gone as well. I'll admit was smitten by hin but lord it did not take long for it to wear off.

aerwin, don't try to satisfy your curiosity. It is such a sad pathetic state of affairs over there, you don't want to know.

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BECAUSE this shmuck is so in need of any kind of attention, even if it's from women old enough to be his mother AND totally delusional, he will go on there and hang onto it. Kinda like a guy who's 50 and has a beer gut and made nothing of his life still talking about the great touchdown he made in high school.

I think it's like a small-time salesman who got a chance to showcase his wares to a huge potential clientele and thought he would become very rich. Unfortunately, his wares were of erratic (not bad - just inconsistent) quality and he does not market his wares well, so eventually he find that only a few faithful customers are left. Well, a customer's a customer, so he schmoozes them - well, US - so that we will continue to buy. For reasons I need not get into, I am not terribly impressed with the schmoozing. But here's the thing... I actually kind of enjoy the product, so I'm still on the mailing list. You know, just in case he turns out something else I end up enjoying.

In other AI news, listen to this piece of nonsense from Nigel:

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With rumors swirling that this year's contestants are going to yield the strongest Top 12 in "Idol" history, Executive Producer Nigel Lythgoe took time out of his insanely busy schedule to give his own two cents���and he didn't hold back in issuing his opinions either. Nigel said that there are a number of "strong individuals," but he still stands by his comment that last year's Top 12 was one of the strongest as a group

Except, of course, for season four. And season two. And season five. And I think even season one. So they are in a dead heat with Season Three for the One That Doesn't Suck The Most. I think Season Six wins by a ... hair.

Yeah, there is no way season 6 was the strongest top 12. I loved 2, 4 and 5. I enjoyed 1 a lot too. Season 3 totally sucked for me and Blake was the only thing about season 6 that kept me watching. I enjoyed Jordin too. I think I blocked most of the rest out of my mind.

I wasn't thrilled with season 6 either..............