Former Reality Show Contestants

Hi SB! How are you?!!

When I logged in this morning and saw your name as the last post in this thread I thought OH NO SB is going to think I am nuts!! So glad you thought the same thing and I did not just lose my mind or something

I agree Abrahammy. He just needs to put forth the effort. For me, he is a better actor than a singer. I will wait and judge the CD when I can hear more than the 30 sec snippets. I hope I remember to watch the show today. I think the singing competition will be today.

I agree with the ladies who think he should be with Felicia instead of Feebs and I think that will happen.

Now, in all honesty, that guy who plays Rick - horrid! Man, I cannot even stand to look at him. Fug and more fug.

Aackkk. I was minding my own business yesterday; sitting outside on a friend's quiet patio, when a song snippet came into my brain. What is that? I like it. Why did it pop into my head? It was familiar, but not overly so.

THEN, I realized it was "Fading into You" from C's new album. I had heard the live contraband of it once, and then the song snippet a couple of times. It keeps coming back into my brain. I like it.

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Now, in all honesty, that guy who plays Rick - horrid! Man, I cannot even stand to look at him. Fug and more fug.

I think he has gorgeous eyes. I've seen older pix of him from a previous show and he was really cute. I think the problem on this show is his thinning hair. And he's only 26.

Seems like a really nice guy from what I've read. He's been married to an older woman since he was like 22.

He may be a real nice guy in RL and that's wonderful, but I do not like his character on this show or his looks. I just don't like his mouth or jawline or slicked down hair. He looks cold, plastic and just unpleasant.

He got his start on Days. I didn't care for him then either. I think he may have played Brady?? Not sure, it was when I was losing interest in the show and didn't watch it every day. But I think he was one of John Black's kids. Now Jensen Eckles who played Eric on Days - now THAT is a gorgeous man!! AND a good actor.

Anyway, if I were Feebs I'd pick Con. Just saying....

Honestly, I hope his CD does well. I have personal reasons that I would get great pleasure from his success, and if you all think hard enough you could figure out why! I'll probably even buy it just to help that cause

FC, hmm...I'm thinking...I'm coming up with something. If I'm right, I sort of have the same reason.

Here's a hint



Simply because I am feeling petty today

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Honestly, I hope his CD does well. I have personal reasons that I would get great pleasure from his success, and if you all think hard enough you could figure out why! Twisted Evil I'll probably even buy it just to help that cause

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FC, hmm...I'm thinking...I'm coming up with something. If I'm right, I sort of have the same reason.

Raise you a third and buy you girls a drink.

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OK, I just saw today's B&B. Don't read this GE!!

Leave the thread NOW!!


Constantine was totally adorable Embarassed

He looked really good and his acting was pretty good too.Duck lips were not present today. Clean shaven. Fluffy hair that looked very nice. I have no idea what happened Shocked

Don't hate me No

FC, I do think that IF GB had a shower and some acting lessons and lost a few pounds and cut his hair, that he may be mildly appealing. That's never been my beef with GB.

In the same way I think OJ Simpson is a good-looking man, but I still think he's a lying wife-beating murderer, I understand that GB can look good at times if he really works hard at it, like Abrahammy says, but he's still one of the most loathsome people on the planet and for me, that seeps through in everything he does.

They say you can tell a lot by looking in a man's eyes, and when I look in his, all I see is creeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Like I said, if I thought maybe he could get OVER himself for five minutes and not take himself so seriously ALL THE TIME, he might get some redeeming qualities, but I don't think that's possible. He's a full-blown narcissist and the more women excuse all his bad behavior, the less motivation he has for having an ounce of real humility.

If he did not take himself seriously. If he had wanted to be a good actor and singer rather than a "celebrity" I would have developed some respect for him

I also hate to say it, but the songs I've heard...OMG...his rock cred it gonzo! He's gone full-on bubble-gum. While still trying to hold onto the rocker image? Just...no. Rick Springfield had a harder edge. Hell, Michael Damien did (yeah, go look him up: Young and the Restless: the early days). Rex Smith? Also harder-edged. He's maybe on a par now with Jack Wagner, but at least JW had a hit or two. GB's CD is going to be bought by the handful of fans he has left, and that's it. He might have gotten a touch more exposure being on the soap, but I sincerely doubt that's going to lead to actual record sales. Only time will tell.

I've really tried to temper my usual "he's just an ass and that's it"" so I hope I succeeded.

I didn't get the reference to you wanting to buy a CD to be petty. If you could elaborate, I'd appreciate it.

Well, I have just been judging him on his performance and appearance on the show. I honestly don't give that much thought to how he is in RL. I don't care enough to put that much thought into him. I know Abrahammy, who is a little too close to be completely objective (as I am about a certain someone) wants to know how the non fans our feeling about his performance. I'm just trying to give my objective opinion on his acting, and I think he is doing pretty good. My complaint about him had been his sloppy appearance and duck lips. There was much improvement in both areas the last few days.

The CD/success thing? Well, lets just say this morning I got thinking about some people who, well, didn't treat me very nice. Or my friends Abrahammy and Austin. So I wouldn't mind if him finding success caused them some indigestion or a headache or two. Like I said, I was in a petty mood. For the most part I have gotten over it, but sometimes something makes me think about it.

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In the same way I think OJ Simpson is a good-looking man, but I still think he's a lying wife-beating murderer, I understand that GB can look good at times if he really works hard at it, like Abrahammy says, but he's still one of the most loathsome people on the planet and for me, that seeps through in everything he does.

Actually, the OJ comparison puts into nice perspective. OJ Simpson is a murderer and he ought to be behind bars. Constantine is self-absorbed and hedonistic in a way that I suspect is actually so mundane among Hollywood wannabees as to be kind of dull. Think he's an idiot? That's fine. There's plenty of evidence. But until he's found guilty of something more grave than stupidly smoking pot in front of a reporter, being rude or being a seriously awful boyfriend, I don't think he's hardcore enough to be one of the most loathsome people on the planet. There's just too many hardened criminals out there.

The duck lips annoy the shit out of me, too. Always have, even back when I was gaga for him. (Now, it's kinda force of habit. It's like, well, I've been here this long, might as well find out how the story ENDS, kinda like finally watching the last Star Wars movie even though I didn't like the second set of movies nearly as much as the first.)

I do appreciate the perspective of non-fans for the acting, although I'm a lot more objective than I used to be.

I knew what you meant FC, and I enjoyed that microwave emoticon, but I didn't get the connection there - explain it to me pretty please?

I have to agree with abrahammy in that if C hasn't murdered anyone or done something equally heinous, I just can't put him in the loathsome category. I know he treated his girlfriend(s) like shit, I know he's a narcissist, but I never wanted to be his girlfriend, and I tried to warn people who did. He's done and said some pretty stupid and cruel things and he smokes too much pot. Also he's made girls think that he might want them for more than sex when he really doesn't. He is also a big baby at times. And I agree he's very interested in being a celebrity probably more than anything.

That was the closest I could get to expressing my desire to seeing certain heads explode!! Of course I won't ever see it since I don't go anywhere they post

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So I wouldn't mind if him finding success caused them some indigestion or a headache or two. Like I said, I was in a petty mood. For the most part I have gotten over it, but sometimes something makes me think about it.

I bet that certain people who used to get lots of attention from their syncophants fawning over their every word are getting less and less. Maybe it is because C has gotten some semi-legitimate work and is doing fine at it or that the smear campaign that was all an attention getting ploy for some folks has finally run it's course.

Everyone else but a few hangers on have moved on to other fandoms...
Being hateful, nasty, and ruthless is only entertaining for so long I guess.

I'm with GE though...there is something insincere about C~ that comes through when I see him do anything. I don't really think it is because of the bad stuff I have heard about him either. But, it is just like Tom Cruise.
He is a pompous ass and I don't like that personality trait...so even though he is a pretty good actor, I don't enjoy his work anymore. Just human nature I guess. And with C~, I just don't find him a natural singer, actor, or likeable personality anymore. I thought I saw that "real" quality on AI, but that was just the producers packaging him and showing him to his best advantage. Maybe he is getting better as an actor now that he is getting steady work and coaching. I just find him so boring and forced, I don't think I would even bother watching him do anything again.

But, I really don't begrudge the guy from making a living if he can. There are tons of more annoying people in show business out there raking in the dough compared to him. And Tom Cruise is just one of them!

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I bet that certain people who used to get lots of attention from their syncophants fawning over their every word are getting less and less. Maybe it is because C has gotten some semi-legitimate work and is doing fine at it or that the smear campaign that was all an attention getting ploy for some folks has finally run it's course.

Boy, that was just a really insightful comment. Spot on.

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I'm with GE though...there is something insincere about C~ that comes through when I see him do anything. I don't really think it is because of the bad stuff I have heard about him either. But, it is just like Tom Cruise.
He is a pompous ass and I don't like that personality trait...so even though he is a pretty good actor, I don't enjoy his work anymore. Just human nature I guess.

I think that's understandable, and a very fair assessment of both his skills and why he can't entertain you any more. I liked Brel. I thought he did a very good job with some very high quality material. It certainly did not hurt that he was working with consummate professionals and he simply could not afford to do duck lips and strike rock poses when he was sharing the stage with Bob Cuciolli.

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Actually, the OJ comparison puts into nice perspective. OJ Simpson is a murderer and he ought to be behind bars. Constantine is self-absorbed and hedonistic in a way that I suspect is actually so mundane among Hollywood wannabees as to be kind of dull.

OK, I wasn't making a legitimate comparison with OJ. The comparison I was making was about my feelings about each of them. It's like when Mickey Rourke was still pretty and I found out he beat up on women and I would no longer support him. Like that. It wasn't like "OJ is a sociopathic murderer and Constantine exhibits signs of being a sociopath, therefore OJ=Constantine.

What I'm SAYING is that with all the reports that he verbally abuses women who HAVE DONE NOTHING TO HIM, calling them fat and saying mean disgusting things to A FAN on a PERCEIVED SLIGHT that wasn't even there, I do have a problem with these women SUPPORTING that man. A man who has verbally abused someone they called a friend.

He's not just a terrible 10-timing boyfriend. He calls autistic kids "retards" and is verbally abusive. His whole world revolves around him. He doesn't care about any consequences of any of his actions

I was saying that if he didn't take himself so seriously, and he apologized for some of his disgusting obnoxious behaviors, I'd see something redeeming in him. That's not the case with OJ.

I think that some actors are two-timers. They may cheat on Cameron Diaz with Jessica Biehl. Yeah. So what. I think Cameron will recover. This guy. It's the verbal abuse. The utter narcissism. The sleazy, gross behavior that is not only tolerated, but women are turning on each other to EXCUSE his behavior. "Well, all guy stars do that" or whatever. They don't.

Like I keep saying, I don't think he's just a guy who can't keep it in his pants and smokes pot like he's trying to find the cure for cancer in it, I truly believe he's a reprehensible human being.

I don't think he should be locked up, or hurt physically. What I am saying is that when women say "oh, boys will be boys. Tee hee." and just "whatever" about the kind of PERSON he is, I'm shocked. AS A WOMAN.

His only fanbase is women. Women who excuse his behavior and make light of it. Therefore, he continues to think it's perfectly OK to be a misogynist. Women making it OK for him to be a misogynist blows my damn mind. Women supporting a misogynist blows my damn mind.

I'm sorry. I can't go "yeah, he verbally abuses women, including his fans, treats them all like sex toys, cheats on women, smokes pot and generally doesn't give two shits about his fans and calls them all sorts of horrible names, and is a misogynist, but "SQUEEEEE!" he looked so cute today on B&B.

So, me? I prefer to throw my support towards a person who is trying to bring some joy into the world. Who appreciates his fans, and takes time for them, because he knows without them, he'd be nothing. Who doesn't hate women. Who thinks about someone other than himself for 5 minutes. Someone like Clay Aiken, perhaps?

He is loathsome. Knucklehead I can handle. I guy who has no filter during interviews and says some stupid things? Oh, sure. A big star who cheats on his big star gf? OK. I don't think that's what he is. Also, although I deplore the term "bad boy" because it also excuses a slew of unacceptable behaviors from men, I don't even think he's that innocuous.

These are all my opinion. I tend to express things strongly when I feel strongly about something. Yes, I do not understand how any woman can support him, knowing how he feels about women. Call me a feminist. I am one.

FC, I appreciate that as a casual fan you can look at GB objectively. God love ya for that.

Luca, I agree with you. I was trying to figure out what made him so appealing on AI and how the minute he left, he looked like a homeless person with no talent. You put it rather well.

Abrahammy, I'm sorry if I offend you. I'm sure you hold your tongue many times when I bash GB. You've always rated his performances fairly, even as a fan.[i]

Well GE, you are very passionate about your feelings and expressing them. I love that. That is how I am - though it did appear to cause me some trouble at another board. I felt your passion. I think people can feel my supportive and protective passion for one Idol, and we can feel how upset you are by another Idol!

First, thanks for the kind words about Clay. He is a wonderful and caring person. Thanks for being one who appreciates that about him.

I don't even call myself a casual fan where Con is concerned. I'm not any kind of fan of his. I've just been watching and listening out of curiosity after all this time involved with people I "met" thru him.

You know, I guess I never had the feelings of hate toward him that many do because I have not really been witness to any of the things he is accused of, other than some pissy posts at GS. I am not saying that anyone is telling lies or making anything up or even exaggerating. I just know that after 4 years in Clay fandom I have learned to believe very little of what I read. The past several days were even more proof after the outrageous changing around of facts about the airplane incident with Clay. He went from being the person sleeping who was hit repeatedly (which is the truth) to be the PISSY DIVA who REFUSED to remove his foot from the poor woman's armrest - which is the media and haters version. So all the horrible things I have read about Con don't sink in very deep into my brain because you know, I have no idea what the man is really like. I only know what I read in posts. Does he really call kids "retards"? If so, yes, that is horrible. What I do know is that he does charity work for kids. That is admirable. Maybe you heard him call kids retards with your own ears so you know it is fact. If not, we just don't know. Every single word The Heathers said about him could be 100% the god's honest truth OR it could be a lot made up. How would I really know? I don't know for a fact how he treated Kristen. I never heard it come from her mouth. I only saw it typed out on posts by people who may very well have had ulterior motives. How would I know?

I judge him from his pissy posts, how awful I thought he performed with Betty, how unimpressed I have been by interviews - because I have seen those and heard those with my own eyes and ears. I believe he treated some fans like shit because they were diehards (many still are - Piyo for one) and I figure they would not make stuff up. If anything they would cover it up. So my point is, I can't get all that passionate about him being such an awful person - because I don't really know just how much of all that awfulness is true.

Now, I totally agree with you GE that when women who do believe it all is true and just excuse it away - well that is just sad. Honestly, if I personally witnessed some of his poor behavior, and god forbid I were to witness him call some poor child a retard! I mean I would have to smack him for that.

Anyway, I guess the main point of this long winded post is that when it comes to him, I don't really have a clue who he is. Unlike Clay, who has always come across very genuine, Con puts on so many faces there is no way for me to tell which one is real. So I am just trying to judge his entertainment value.

Like I said, if you say you have witnessed things I believe you completely. I believe anything Frazz says too. I just don't necessarily believe everything from everybody just because I see it in a post. Hopefully you get what I am saying. I think it is easy for you to be so passionate because you were more personally involved with him and the fandom. You went to see him at AI in person, concerts etc. My fandom never went that far. I never went to go see him. Shortly after the AI tour I had moved on to JD Fortune!! I bet I haven't even read 1/4 of all the bad stuff written about him because I was in the Rockstar threads and sites!

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Abrahammy, I'm sorry if I offend you. I'm sure you hold your tongue many times when I bash GB. You've always rated his performances fairly, even as a fan

Here's a refreshing concept, GE. You and I are able to treat each other with courtesy and respect whether we agree on the character and career of an American Idol contestant or not. I really love that about this board. So no, you do not offend me.

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His only fanbase is women. Women who excuse his behavior and make light of it. Therefore, he continues to think it's perfectly OK to be a misogynist. Women making it OK for him to be a misogynist blows my damn mind. Women supporting a misogynist blows my damn mind.

He's certainly tactless as hell; I think when it comes right down to it, I'm just not certain that it's quite as bleak as you honestly perceive it to be. I had an eye-opening experience at Survivor Sucks the other day. I read these comments made about a famous man:

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Why is it that it's never XXXX's fault when these things happen? I would have a hell of of lot more respect for the guy if for once he would own up to his asshole-ish behavior intead of playing the victim.

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It never ends with this smarmy condescending loser, does it? As if he couldn't be more of a joke than he already is.

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love how all negative stories about XXXX are lies, rude to students, rude to opening acts at local concert, rude to old ladies......I doubt any XXXX fans where at those events to make up a lie.....all this has reported by the news.....blame them not the haters.....

Pretty hateful stuff, huh? About a clearly talented man who has done quite a bit of humanitarian work. You want to know who is getting trashed like this?

Spoiler:

I'm an old hand at this. I've gotten to the point where I just accept that folks are going to hate Idol contestants that I like and I learn to live and let live about it. Hell, who are the three guys that really caught my attention the most? Clay Aiken, Constantine Maroulis and Sanjaya Malakar? Don't I just pick the lightning rods? Best not to take it all too seriously.

Like I needed to highlight the spoiler box to know who they were talking about Trust me, those comments up above are SOOOO mild compared to the absolute most vile things I have ever read said about a person. People who have never been fans and don't know a damn thing about him, but LOVE to pile on the hateful comments, each poster trying to out do the next. I have no idea if people from other shows generate the hate that AI guys have. I cannot for the life of me figure out why.

FC, honestly, if I just read about that stuff in a post, I would never just stupidly go along with what they are saying. Here's what I'm going on:

Die-hard fans who went on the boards and posted actual pm's he sent to them. They were clearly distressed, still fans, and coming to their fellow fans for consolation. All they got were "you must have done something to provoke it". When they post the pm they sent, these people will still make excuses for his behavior. So, I'm not just going on what "certain people" said.

Also, since y'all are Clay fans, the fact that I'm pretty sure he called a child a retard should interest you. I have heard it personally from someone I became "friends" with. She could be a bit angry at times, but was never a liar. I always check up on people and am suspect of everyone online. She was not a liar.

Also, I had dinner with his ex. She was a truly lovely girl. Did not get catty or witchy or mean. She didn't seem to have an axe to grind. She was very credible in all of her accounts of what she witnessed him doing. Things that were backed up by others who didn't know her, and at different times. As a matter of fact, when a couple of women told their story, she knew they were telling the truth. That's how clear his pattern is.

I know things are written about Clay. I know on occasion the boy can be pissy, but he owns up to his pissiness. I don't just read that stuff. I read everything. I can see with my own eyes all the wonderful things this man does and the people who say mean things about him are huge assholes.

Look, when I first heard all the stuff about GB, I honestly stuck up for him. I was one of those women saying it was the girl's fault for saying something that most assuredly upset him and made him say what he did. Then more and more and more and more stories came out. Then every time a reporter followed him around, when it wasn't a formal interview, it was backed up. More stories. More and more and more. I rarely heard a positive one. All of his behaviors just kept backing it all up. A couple of women have said, "well, he never called me a..." and that, to me, isn't a reason to think the guy has redeeming qualities.

Trust me on this: I was privy to A LOT of information that cannot go out in public. There are women who have been with him who are totally and completely traumatized and humiliated by the experience. These are not things I've read in a post. These are people who never want their stories made public. Maybe that's why I'm far more vehement in my hate than you guys will ever be.

Abrahammy, I'm glad I haven't offended you. I have nothing but respect for you. I feel we've kept this to talking about him, and have never gotten personal or lost respect for the other.

GE, I hope you didn't get the impression I was calling you stupid I knew you had some first hand knowledge about things. Just saying I don't, and I probably haven't even read half of what has been posted about him. I guess that is why I can watch and not have such a strong negative reaction.

Yes, if he does call children with disabilities "retards" that is truly horrible and extremely immature. Not to mention completely insensitive. I've felt strongly about that word long before I ever heard of Clay Aiken. When I was in grade school I had a friend with the most adorable little brother who had Downs Syndrome. I was very protective of him. I loved him to bits. So "retard" has always made me feel sick to my stomach.

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GE, I hope you didn't get the impression I was calling you stupid I knew you had some first hand knowledge about things. Just saying I don't, and I probably haven't even read half of what has been posted about him. I guess that is why I can watch and not have such a strong negative reaction.

Yes, if he does call children with disabilities "retards" that is truly horrible and extremely immature. Not to mention completely insensitive. I've felt strongly about that word long before I ever heard of Clay Aiken. When I was in grade school I had a friend with the most adorable little brother who had Downs Syndrome. I was very protective of him. I loved him to bits. So "retard" has always made me feel sick to my stomach.

FC, NO! I didn't think you were calling me stupid. I just meant that I would never just spread rumor and speculation about something I hadn't really checked out and gotten confirmation on from more than one reliable source. The stories I heard would totally curl your toes. Heartbreaking.

Yeah, I agree about that word. It never escaped my lips. Just a really bad horrible word that, unfortunately, has made it back into the lexicon. While I agree that sometimes we are overly politically-correct, sometimes people use this as an excuse to be what they call politically incorrect, which is really an excuse for them to be racist, etc.

Hi guys. It's so refreshing to read this thread w/o the typical name-calling and threats found in other places, so thank you all.

I know what GE is saying is true. Intellectually, I know that it's all true. And I know other stories that have never been posted that have involved among others, a very close personal friend. I lived thru the year and a half of her "relationship." It was painful. I can't explain why I still follow him (although I am certainly NOT a rabid fan.)

Is anyone on this board a psychiatrist/psychologist or just a therapist?

Oh good GE - I was afraid you misunderstood me! You know I love you

Austin, are you saying a friend of your's was involved romantically with him? For a year and a half? Or was it some kind of professional relationship?

Yes. She was sort of involved with him at times. Not professionally. I wouldn't call it that romantic though.

That's why I called him up and let him have it that one time. I got too emotionally involved and lost it when I thought he wasn't being nice enough to her. It was a mistake though, I shouldn't have done that. But I just sort of lost my mind that night.