Former Reality Show Contestants

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Now that? Is a healthy attitude.

You hate somebody, you don't bother with them.

Well, OK. I mean, I don't like Howard Stern so I just don't listen to him.

However, since he's a topic of discussion on this board, and I enjoy a healthy discussion about "him", I feel the need to say what I need to say about him.

It's like with the President. We both hate him and feel the need to talk about that hate.

If GB was just a performer I'd never met and I never talked to women or heard the stories of what a despicable human being he is, I would have just said he lost his mojo on me and his talent isn't what I thought it was. That all the things I gave him credit for being, he wasn't. Same act. Same eye fucking. Same everything. He is totally one-dimensional.

However, that's not the case. I do know, in particular, a very kind person who he did stuff to. Horrible things. Also, like I said, I don't think he's essentially a good guy who's just made really bad decisions. I truly think there is absolutely nothing redeemable about him. Nothing.

THE FACT THAT HE HATES WOMEN. This fact alone makes me crazy that these "ladies" will say all sorts of horrible things to other women they called "sister" just moments before she said something about him that wasn't entirely kind.

It's the way he treats women that bothers me the most. That speaks volumes for someone's character. I can deal with despicable behavior (recent example given: Danny Bonaduce) by people who at least admit they have a problem and are HONEST, as opposed to our dear GB who BLAMES EVERYONE ELSE for what he's done, thus never admitting he has a problem and never receiving help for it.

He is not just wayward. He's not some young guy who's done some really stupid things. He goes around doing whatever he wants to people and doesn't seem to care what happens to them and when confronted with his behavior blames everyone but himself for the wreckage he's left behind.

This is a man in his 30's who cheats and lies daily. To himself and others.

So, like I said, while with some people I can separate the behavior from the performer, with him it is entirely impossible. That his performances seem weak and pitiful doesn't help. I don't think he needs a shave. He needs to change from the inside.

I once had a friend who was beautiful, but such a despicable human being that in a few short years her looks had changed so drastically that you could not recognize her. I can tell when I guy just needs a shave and a haircut. If he still has slime oozing from his insides, that ain't gonna help.

FRAZZ! I really need to hang out with you more. THREE guys? Did you ever know that you're my hero?

Are you talking about Kristen Zang? I "read" he did some awful things to her.

I really do believe that ugly on the inside shows up on the outside, just like beauty within come to the outside. I think that is why I find Clay so beautiful. He appears to be such a really kind, caring, sweet and good person. I think that all shows in his eyes and smile.

Well I do have to LIKE someone before I find them entertaining. For Example I despise Big mouth misgoynist upper level thetan Tom Cruise. Therefore no Tom movies or anything for me.

I guess the thing that gets me about GB is that for once I wish a bunch of his fans would admit that he did something wrong. But they refuse to. I actually saw a frevent fan basically blame the reporter for that VV article. And say that she can read between the lines of that quote the other day. wha? Read between the lines? Was the article labeled fiction? You know if you ask me part of what is wrong in this world today ignoring and excusing that kind of behavior.

fraz that is cool! what an ego boost.

Hey, if people still dig GB that's fine with me...I am in the same boat as Green Eyez though: I have no use for the ahole. I will talk about him only if other people bring him up, I really have no desire to ever see him do anything again.

I guess I understand why some folks are still following him based on how the fandom has turned into a hobby and there is a community of sorts that still exists because of this person, but I am also dumbfounded why they still feel the need to make excuses for him about insensitive and flat out idiotic comments he makes to the media, his less than stellar acting chops, and his inconsistent musical talent. We won't even get into how dude looks like a street person most of the time... That is really what turned me off, yes, it was disgusting the way he treats women and everyone that he does'nt have a use for, but for me he just comes off like a pompous ass in interviews and smarmy in most of his performances.

That is what turned me off forever.

Now I must comment on this!

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That said, mostly I just am feeling somewhat inebriated and amazed that I got hit on after acting class tonight by three....count them, THREE differerent guys, and my teacher, female, was somewhat inebriated herself, after class, and kissed me on the cheek and called me something like Elaine (as opposed to Elise), with great admiration and affection.

You go girl! I love it that you are the catch of your acting class...those peeps must have good taste!

Frazz=Beautiful, Smart, Funny and Talented=good catch! Good for the guys/gals that appreciate her!

I'm like you Luca, in that if I wasn't on this board I wouldn't be talking about him. Well, except that my mom has watched B&B since day one and would no doubt have called to tell me about him. So far she hasn't had much to say except the shitty hair comment. In fact, that is all she had to say I guess she is not too impressed at this point.

If he is suppose to be "himself" on this show and he goes after that kid, aren't the people who always called him swarmy, sleazy, creepy going to have fun with that

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I guess I understand why some folks are still following him based on how the fandom has turned into a hobby and there is a community of sorts that still exists because of this person, but I am also dumbfounded why they still feel the need to make excuses for him

Because, for some reason, they need that fantasy even if it flies in the face of abundant facts. I don't. You are right on target about the community - it's important to me, I love people there - and it being a hobby... but I have also found the shrill indignance with which any criticism is broached to be very wearying at times.

But... there was Brel.

Quite frankly, excessive positivity is also why I'm not really a Claymate anymore. Now, I love CLAY AIKEN absolutely to death, still, and I have recently settled into the happy realization that he's going to be famous and I'm going to love him to death for a really long time. This fandom worked out. However, I am also weary of being in a climate that is very defensive of him and don't go there much anymore. The nice thing about being in contact with Firecracker is that I can get a head's up on the really good stuff and skip the rest.

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If he is suppose to be "himself" on this show and he goes after that kid, aren't the people who always called him swarmy, sleazy, creepy going to have fun with that Laughing

Oh, hell yes. I shook my head the moment I found out he was playing himself and flirting with a kindergartener. Is there a barf emoticon?

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Are you talking about Kristen Zang? I "read" he did some awful things to her.

Well, I talked, in person, to this lovely lovely girl. I mean, really, every time I didn't think he could sink any lower as a slimeball, I would hear something else that would curl my toes. Really, you have no idea how bad it got. Really awful super-duper bad.

I think when he called someone's autistic kid a retard was when I really started to turn on him.

I am totally and completely apalled at the women (many of them MARRIED with CHILDREN) who have devoted their lives to him and will stick up for him more than they would their own child. I'm dumbfounded that in the face of facts from people who a day before they did not consider a "hater" that they will just blatantly call her a liar. How can it be that almost everyone who's had multiple encounters with this man can say that more than once he was rude, obnoxious and altogether horrible and would say vile things to them and yet they think these incidents are isolated? How can every reporter who finds him disgusting be a hater? They don't KNOW him until they KNOW HIM. I can understand if one or two people said it, but when a girl who was totally into him. I mean worshipped, adored and LOVED him implies that he might not be totally and completely perfect, they feel the need to immediately label her so their own personal bubble doesn't burst. I am truly dumbfounded. There is a sickness there I will never fully comprehend. Especially for a guy with minimal talent and no longer has his looks.

A healthy crush is one thing. This is scary stuff.

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I am truly dumbfounded. There is a sickness there I will never fully comprehend. Especially for a guy with minimal talent and no longer has his looks.

A healthy crush is one thing. This is scary stuff.

Yes, Green Eyez, after thinking about it...it makes me think about how some famous criminals in jail have women coming out of the woodwork wanting to strike up a relationship with them, e.g the Menendez brothers etc.

I truely believe if Constantine killed someone in cold blood, some of the extreme whacko's would continue to make excuses for him and continue to rally behind him...no matter what.

Luca, amen to that. I mean, Ramirez got married.

What appalls me the most, though, is when women pursue a RAPIST. Did you know Danielle Steele met her former husband in a jail and he was a rapist? I sat there with my mouth hanging open.

That is what I think of these women who consistently make excuses for his behavior. The women who think he's redeemable in any way, shape or form. Who think that it's just the "other people" out to get him and are jealous? of him. Even people with no axe to grind.

I am shocked. There are no words to describe these women who truly will not face facts. You could have video of GB raping a woman and they'd say "he doesn't need to rape a woman. Every woman wants him." or "she was just pretending. She really likes it. Who wouldn't want him?"

He doesn't do "stupid" things or "foolish" things. He IS a horrible person who does horrible things and says horrible things. Any time he's "nice" is because he thinks he can get something from that other person. It's like he doesn't have an emotion that's real in any way. The second he doesn't think he's going to get what he wants or the person doesn't fawn all over him, he calls them names and verbally abuses them.

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He doesn't do "stupid" things or "foolish" things. He IS a horrible person who does horrible things and says horrible things. Any time he's "nice" is because he thinks he can get something from that other person. It's like he doesn't have an emotion that's real in any way. The second he doesn't think he's going to get what he wants or the person doesn't fawn all over him, he calls them names and verbally abuses them.

I really have'nt seen any redeeming qualities that he has since seeing through the AI facade. People were so coaching him on what to say when he was on camera...when he was off the show, we started to see the "real" Constantine. And, Oy, it was'nt a pretty sight.

He is a true narcissist in every sense of the word, maybe with even a little sociopath thrown in for good measure...

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I really have'nt seen any redeeming qualities that he has since seeing through the AI facade. People were so coaching him on what to say when he was on camera...when he was off the show, we started to see the "real" Constantine. And, Oy, it was'nt a pretty sight.

He is a true narcissist in every sense of the word, maybe with even a little sociopath thrown in for good measure...

:sniff: Luca, I think I love you. I think that's what I was trying to say when I said he isn't just a guy who does stupid things. It's not like he's just a loveable "bonehead" who keeps stumbling into situations and making the wrong choice every time. I was also thinking sociopath, since those are the qualities of one. They can only feel their own pain. They simulate emotions. Get abusive when they don't get everything they want.

You're right about AI. He was coached and coached well. When he was totally drunk or stoned, he went against them, but generally really tried to keep his public persona clean. He couldn't do it for long, because his inner sleazeball was dying to get out. When he started getting the easy sex, he wasn't about to turn it down. He had to know this would get out, but really couldn't help himself.

I happen to know for a fact he read all of the fanfic on the Betty Boards at the time. Totally got off on women having fantasies about him. It was all about him. Narcissist? Sociopath? Oh yeah.

He is almost definitely a narcissist. I was in a Whole Foods grocery about a year and a half ago and saw a Psychology Today mag with a story about Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I read it and found it fascinating and oh-so-familiar. I called up a girl in Dallas who I used to be friends with and told her about my "discovery." She said, "Didn't you KNOW that already!?"

NOT AN EXCUSE, but I feel he either must have been seriously verbally abused as a child OR pampered and petted SO much that he became a prince in his own mind. And he has no impulse control. And people can have no impulse control and not have horrible things come out of their mouths, but, obviously, that's not the case here.

And girls were throwing themselves at him constantly. I doubt it happens as much now, but who knows? But I know girls who have been with him, who DON'T hate him. I don't know if that reflects on HIM or THEM.

I knew that Constantine thought he was in love with Zang, but I did not know Zang was in love with him. I did know she broke up with him for cheating on her, which I think was a good call, and I know his behavior was weird and possessive afterwards.

He does indeed have the impulse control of a toddler; even regulars on the fanboards have seen that up close and personal. There's no denying it.

Sure enjoyed the concert. I'd love to go to another one. Really wish I did not know an unnatural amount about this guy. Curiosity is not always healthy.

If he thought he was in love with Zang why did he cheat on her so much

I suppose I know the answer to that. He thinks with his dick.

A clip of "Talk Soup" taking a swipe at Con on the B&B.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvngjATc1ic


Somebody tell me why or why TPTB at the B&B have not made GB look good?? I mean isn't that like a soap rule? Everyone must look hot and beautiful. I do not get why he looks so unclean and frankly darn right messy. I really thought he would look really good on this show. I do not get how we are suppose to buy that this gorgeous young girl would fall for this skeery looking older guy. Can't he had least comb his hair?

I like long hair on guys, but it must be clean! His didn't look clean..........

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I knew that Constantine thought he was in love with Zang, but I did not know Zang was in love with him. I did know she broke up with him for cheating on her, which I think was a good call, and I know his behavior was weird and possessive afterwards.

Abrahammy, you said a mouthful right there. You're 100% accurate in your assessment.

FC, yes, that's the answer to your question. I also think Abrahammy put it very succinctly when she said:

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He does indeed have the impulse control of a toddler; even regulars on the fanboards have seen that up close and personal. There's no denying it.

I also wonder why they kept him looking exactly the way he usually does, without even putting a damn comb through his hair. The only thing I can think of is that he's playing himself.

I'm also partial to long-haired men, but I prefer them clean.

*Smooches Green Eyez*

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I'm also partial to long-haired men, but I prefer them clean.

Yeah, and to not be sociopaths or narcissists either!
I have always wondered if he has a sex addiction problem too...
I know dipping into the groupie pot is "normal" to a point when your 15 minutes of fame hits, but constantly trolling fanboards to read graphic fanfic while you have a conquest in the room with you, always struck me as extremely weird behavior...

Yeah, when I heard he was looking at the fanfic written by (mostly) lonely women old enough to be his mama, while a real-live woman was in his bed, I realized just how horribly sick he really was.

Oh, and Austin, in answer to your question about the women who don't hate him after they've slept with him? It says a lot about THEM. Because some women will put up with being treated like some stuff he scraped off his shoe just to be close to fame. This almost disturbs me more than the fact that he treats them like that.

Maybe he was looking for pointers from the fanfic

A "Clothes Off Our Backs" charity auction with several former Idols/judges. Notice how Clay's bidding is going compared to the others Should be interesting to see how the bidding ends up!

http://www.clothesoffourback.org/categories.php?cPath=1_95&page=1

Hee. Gotta love the Claymates. They hit that one fast! I don't think any of the other fanbases have even woken up yet.

Yep, I think the Claymates were ready and waiting to pounce ! One of Simon's fan got an early start too. Someone should get the Sanjaya shirt for the little crying girl! She could sleep with it I know in the past Clay has ended up the highest of anybody. Bet it's that way again. I think there are a lot of rich Claymates out there. Sadly, I am not one of them

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Maybe he was looking for pointers from the fanfic

From what I understand, he definitely needs the pointers!

If you had told me a couple of years ago that I'd hear "Constantine is coming up" and get physically ill at the mention of his name and actually want to change the channel, I would have said you were crazy!

EDIT: I couldn't watch him. They showed him in the green room and his big fat ugly talentless face filled my screen and I got sick and shut it off. Watched a "Criminal Minds" I dv-r'd and saw some truly handsome men with talent and it washed that vision right outta my head.

Clay's stuff will far outsell everyone else. EAT IT Simon!

Well, everyday I check the "Idols" threads at The Clack House in order to keep up with all the past Idol contestants, even ones I didn't care all that much for. It is fun to see what they all are up to. Vickilyn, who obviously adores Con, puts every little bit of info in his thread. Like I said before she just puts in too much long info so I usually skip a lot of stuff since it would just be too time consuming to read so many long articles. Anyway, she did just post a You Tube link to Con on Idol Tonight with Kim Caldwell (can.not.stand.this.girl.) and I must say that he does often times come across like a very sweet guy. He sure did on this show. If I was not on boards were I was privy to a lot of negative stuff about him and I just saw him in interviews, I would think he was a super nice guy and be wishing him all the luck in the world. He is either such a phony or a "great actor" while being interviewed (as opposed to a great actor when he is suppose to be acting - of course I probably shouldn't judge him on the little I have seen of him on The B&B) So it is really interesting to watch him appear to be so completely different in the interviews than the way I have read he is when not on camera. Maybe he has a split personality or something