Former Reality Show Contestants

OK, I have so much to say to all these comments you wouldn't believe it!! Oh wait, you guys know me so you probably will believe it

First off, welcome Badger and I am so glad to see a new poster here. Don't let me scare you off. I really am very sweet

So your comment is the first I will address. First off, their were 10 ladies in the M&G that Clay sat down and talked with. I have no idea what all you know about Clay or if you are a fan at all, but this is how he is conducting the M&Gs for this tour. He sits with them for about 30 mins. and they get to ask any questions they want. They have been respectful questions. When asked what all went down with the covers CD the ladies were surprised at how very open he was in his discussion. They all said Clay said Clive made it very clear it was an ultimatum. Covers or no CD. It upset him to the point he was about to quit the biz. It was a main reason he left his new home in LA for Raleigh. Every one of those women said it was clear. I believe Clay. Please look into books written about the music biz and Clive's rep. This is not unusual for him. He has a rep for being power hungry and an arrogant bastard. Not saying he is not a legend in the biz or that he has not had huge success. But he is known for this sort of thing.

Also, it doesn't not take anywhere near 3 years to put out a CD. Every winner and runner up has had their CDs out in 6 mos to 9 mos. after their season. Clay started recording MOAM in May and it was done in July. Held for awhile until Rube's could come out (as the winner was suppose to come out first but there were some issues with Rube's) and it was out Oct. 15th. 2003. He started on his Xmas CD end of summer and it was out in November. Just off my head I can tell you that the Duffster, Timberlake, Beyonce, Ashlee Simpson, Jesse MaCartney, Jessica Simpson - all released 2 CDs within a 3 year span. Heck Hannah Montana released two in one year, this new one being a dual disk! Plus, just announced today Kelly Clarkson will have her new CD out in 2008, and she just released My December. (I will be providing the link to that announcement later ). So, no way was Clive "just talking about how long it takes to put out another CD". I believe it went exactly as Clay said it did.

Abrahammy, I am going to presume you meant to say "halted" and not hated, as I did not say Clive "hated" Clay's career. But I do believe he majorly slowed down that "rocket to the stars" (tm Diane Sawyer) He was HUGE after AI. He was in every teen mag (I know I have a stack two feet high) he was on TRL/MTV etc and a triple plat. CD of original pop songs. Next thing you know Clive is calling him "The New Barry Manilow" . That is not something that is going to keep a young popstar in with the TRL/MTV crowd. Notice Clay is NEVER in a freaking teen mag anymore. At least that saves me the humiliation of buying more of those things . So intentionally or not, Clive brought that train to a screeching halt by deciding to market Clay only to his middle-aged women demo. Completely ignoring teen fans.

Perhaps Clive thought the covers CD would sell more than it did, but only 800,000 copies were pressed. It did not ship platinum. That tells me Clive knew only too well that Clay was not going to have a multi or even single platinum CD with ATDW. IF Clive was so sure this CD was going to do well why the limited promo? You know Clay was suppose to sing on DWTS. Instead that night Julio Iglesias performed "Right Here Waiting", which gee, happens to be one of the covers on Clay's CD. Also on DWTS Il Divo was on singing - get this "Without You", not only a song on Clay's CD, but it was HIS freaking single at the time! But it was not he on the show singing it. Funny all this artist had the same freaking covers on their covers CD. That is brilliant Clive. Was it a game of how many CDs can we put the same songs on and sell? Also, if Clive wanted big success for this CD and had so much faith in it, why was Clay's press release a mere two or three paragraphs with not one single quote of support from Clive or RCA? Did you see Daughtry's long press release with endless hyperbole from Clive as if Daughtry was the second coming of Christ? Seriously, I don't care that Chris got a press release like that because jeez THAT is what a label should do! Promote your artists. Not.one.single.word.from.Clive during that whole big 4 week promotion Clay got. CD out in Sept. promo pretty much over in Oct. followed by some Xmas appearances where he sang songs from his Xmas CD and not ATDW.

We all know about payola to radio. If Clive thought there was hope for this to be a big CD there would have been some kind of pay for play and at least one video. Yes, Clive miscalculated the size of the diehard fanbase and didn't quite sell that whole whopping 800,000 pressed. I just strongly feel if Clive were really behind Clay and that CD there would have been some quotes from Clive in the press release. There is in most of his artist's releases. Certainly in the ones for the big names.

Just think about where Clay was in 2003 and 2004 and where he is now. Someone stopped that rocket. It wasn't Clay. Not saying Clive set out to ruin Clay or "sabotage". I never used that word, but he did put him in the Manilow box that Clay did not want to be put in, and anytime you put a young artist in a box like that - well, IMHO you have had a major effect on his career. Clay knows it, the fans know it. Clive knows it. The Sophomore CD is called "the make or break it CD". Clive knows that. Did he really in his infinite wisdom believe that a young artist's all important sophomore CD being covers was brilliant? Especially someone coming from AI? I say he knew he had a sure thing in selling to just the Claymates. Turns out there is only 515,000 of us instead of 800,000

SB, as far as Taylor goes, he was shooting off his mouth that the CD was going to be his way. Clive of course did not let that happen. Taylor wanted songs he wrote on it. He didn't get that. They did put one (or maybe two) songs from one of his early CDs that he put out himself on it. Honestly though, I do not think Taylor is upset that he is not a huge star. I think he just loves the club scene and will be really happy just being able to continue to tour the way he is and make his living doing the music he loves to do. I doubt he ever thought he was going to be the next big thing. Taylor is probably just upset to have sort of pop song attached to his name. He is after all "The Soul Man"!

Yes, Bo had one hit song, but it was not a song he cared for or wanted to sing. Yes, sadly his health hurt his ability to promo it. That said, it wasn't the kind of CD Bo or his fans had hoped for and lucky for him he feels he is now going to get the chance to release a CD he can be proud of. I'm betting there will be more of a southern rock vibe. I might even buy that!


ETA: Because this post wasn't long enough Clay said in the last meet and greet that the new producer is a "he". British and Grammy winner. That songs have been sent to him with the idea of the sound that Clay has in mind. If the TPTB are happy with the sound (and this includes Clay) then will sign the producer and an announcement will be made after the current tour is over. So I am saying prayers for Clay that it all works out.

Here is the link on the new Kelly Clarkson CD info. (weeping for the loss of the bluesy CD that Kelly planned to make until Clive told her the next CD will be pop Kelly's voice would KILL on bluesy)

Brought over from TWoP:

Kelly Clarkson Gets the Message, Returns to Pop

Friday, July 27, 2007

By Roger Friedman

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Kelly Will Go Back to Pop for Next Album

Kelly Clarkson gets the picture, finally.

There was no bucking the system, and no going against Clive Davis. Sources tell me that Clarkson has agreed, through her wise new manager Narvel Blackstock, to make a pop album for release in 2008 with songs selected by Davis and his team.

Clarkson's acquiescence comes at the end of a long melodrama concerning her current, turgid album "My December," which features a lot of ragged self-penned songs by Clarkson about a relationship gone sour.

Davis didn't like the album considering it was the follow up to Clarkson's multimillion selling "Breakaway." But he released it, and Clarkson responded by dissing him and then apologizing earlier this week.

In the meantime, "My December" is sort of free-floating away now, and will probably sell a respectable 850,000 copies in the U.S. and maybe the same worldwide.

Clarkson gets points for trying out her chops as a songwriter, but demerits for not following anyone's advice, trying to take on the record industry's most astute executive maybe of all time and acting like a 25-year-old.

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Davis's peeps were more than excited that Clarkson's situation had been resolved, they say. There are no hard feelings over "My December," but let's just say everyone's waiting for her January now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291060,00.html

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Abrahammy, I am going to presume you meant to say "halted" and not hated, as I did not say Clive "hated" Clay's career.

I misread you last night and corrected my comment this morning. That is the point at which I said "

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Edited: Oh, I just read your post back in the morning. You said HALTED, not HATED! Sorry! Yes, Clive made some trainwreck decisions that really hurt Clay. He seems to do that to a lot of people. Elliott should probably be very glad he came in 3rd - well enough to get a recording contract with somebody else, not so well that Clive got his claws in him.

I am worried for Jordin.

C updates. I am feeling strangely apathetic about the whole thing. The soap opera sucks, download sales indicate that this album isn't going to sell even as well as he thought it would, he was assy at GS again this week, and in the meantime, Clay and Sanjaya are both on tour and seem to be not only more pleasant people, but not quite so close to an eventual dead end - at least not yet. Or they may all be around the corner from a dead end, although actually I think Clay will sing and do philanthropic work in the public eye for the rest of his life whether he's a megastar or not.

Taylor will sing for the rest of his life. That may be enough for him.

It will be interesting to see how many AI alums actually do anything that lasts for a really long time. Clive has mismanaged the great Clay Aiken, Kelly's in the process of self-destructing - and they were two of the truly great contestants. Maybe the show will collapse when it becomes clear that they don't produce anything real that's able to sustain for any protracted length of time.

I don't think anybody - not even Melinda - from this year is going to be around in five years time unless something about them changes. Jordin's too generic, Blake is a dated gimmick, Melinda, Phil and Kiki are not commercial enough, Rich and Haley are awful, Gina is not unique, Sligh is unappealing and Sanjaya is not only horribly inexperienced, but he has a public relations mountain that may be completely impossible to overcome.

It's really .... just a TV show that only pretended to be more.

Firecracker, thanks for the welcome. I lurked here for a day or two after I registered. Anyway, I belong to several different Clay boards and I am a fan. I don't recall seeing that version of the Clive and Clay story - where Clay almost quit the business over it on any of the boards I go to. But then again, I wasn't at the meet and greet so I can't say what happened there.

My other favorite Idol is Bo Bice who is supposed to have a new CD out in September. There's a lot of angst on his boards because there's been little to no PR for it. Anyway, does anyone know did Justin Guarini have any legal problems getting his second CD out? Some of the angst about Bo is that maybe the AI contract has some kind of clause in it that may prevent him from releasing a CD that's not affiliated with Clive Davis.

Speaking of Justin, I think he and Constantine are in kind of the same place where they're both working fairly steadily but they're still waiting for that one big break that makes all the difference. I can't get over how terrible the girl Constantine is trying to turn into a star is so I can't take that show he's on seriously.

Wow, that sure laid it all out on the line, and I think you are 100% right!

Sorry, I never saw the corrected post from you because it took me two freaking hours to type my post because I was dealing with getting a new sump pump, 6 daycare kids, 5 calls from my mom about where my dad is being transferd, calls from people RSVPing to my son's party and getting a call that a friend had a stroke! It's been quite the day!! So seriously, I had my computer on the "Post a reply" for over two hours And when it posted it was on a new page!

Anyway, yep. I really do think you are right on the money! So GS is upset? About sales figures? I don't keep up much with Con. I missed B&B today but my mom said no Con. He has not been on much lately. Things may perk up. Did you hear something new about him not being nice or is it just same old? Sorry you are in a funk about your fandom. I think my Clay fandom, doll collection and this place are the only things keeping me sane with all that is going on with my dad! Thank god for all the beautiful Clay concert vids that are so freaking funny! He brings me joy I tell ya! I just want him to have lots of joy too!

Hey Badger! THRILLED to have a fellow Clay fan here!!

That discussion was in The Clack House Chat the night of that M&G. You won't find it on the open forums. Clay fans have learned better due to the tabloid bloggers to keep certain things private. I get to be in the chat room, but it was discussed even more in "the den" which I do not get to be a part of. A lot of things are discussed in chat that are not on main. Some of it rather R rated!! But in a very funny way!

Anyway, I don't think we need Perez Hilton blogging about Clay thinking of quiting the biz and the problems he had with Clive.

I hope Bo gets good promo. I don't know much about Justin other than he was dropped from the label - so I do not think he had any legal problems there. He did get in some legal trouble with the jet ski incident, but nothing serious. He seems like a good guy. I always felt sorry for him after the way he was "mishandled".


ETA: Abrahammy, I just reread your post and Con was the one assy on GS?! What happened?? Why was he assy when they have been so supportive?

Badger, if you read my posts in other threads you will know I am not usually so wordy or passionate. Clay? Well, I never could figure out exactly why I am so pasionate and protective of him I just adore the kid! Well, he is not really such a kid anymore is he?

And FWIW, I think Clay would have moved back to Raleigh soon anyway. I just think all the stress of 2005 gave him extra incentive to go. Sad that he didn't get to stay and enjoy the amazing home he had in LA a little longer, but he wasn't really home all that much anyway!

"Shakes head." Neill called me today and told me that a guy who works for him got pix of C with THREE girls (only THREE). With whom he drove away,




Constantine Maroulis arrived at the opening of the club Opera in Hollywood last night with seven girls. Too bad four of them were underage and had fake I.D.'s and were turned away. The club has some new sophisticated system for checking if ID's are phoney. The loss of four girls didn't faze the American Idol runner up, he ended up in a clinch with a blonde. (In spite of those awful shoes.)

http://janetcharltonshollywood.com/gossip/constantine_maroulis/constantine_maroulis_and_his_jailbait_girlfriends_20070727.php

Oh, hell just fucking shoot me. Or him. Or something. I think I'll go clean something. Bleah.

ETA: Just went and read it. Wow. That tabloid is unusually sleazy, isn't it? Not that it didn't make the photos of his entourage any more appealing, but I wonder if this is the type of rag that discovers that Prince Charles wants to be Camilla's tampon.

Well, Con has just never grown up. It amazes me that the man is almost 32. Clearly he keeps his brains in his pants. I really am started to believe that he is not serious about his art, only the perks of celebrity. There is some talent there and some appeal. Wish he could make better decisions.

I don't know Abrahammy. I think ALL the tabloids are just really sleazy nowadays. Who knows. Maybe the story isn't even true. I mean the girls do look young, but seriously, after PH and JP I don't trust much of what I read about celebs anymore. I pretty much just believe ET and The Insider. People mag is probably still pretty reliable.

In my few romps with the Betty Boys I watched how they went about getting underage girls into bars. While it is true that C wasn't there, all of the others, including the generally reported to be honorable Taylor did it. Older girl goes in. Boy brings out ID from more or less same physical type and gives it to younger girl.

Janet Charlton used to be the lead columnist for The Star which is trying to turn itself into a glossy entertainment news magazine a la Peopleor EW.

Sounds like Con won't be satisfied until he's on "To Catch A Predator". To be fair to him though, I think the kind of socializing he does is considered fairly important when you're trying to make it. It's all about being seen.

Good news about Bo. He said in a chat tonight that he has some TV appearances lined up although he didn't say what shows or when.

True, it is important to be seen, but best it not be with underage girls. I'm sure he can find plenty of pretty blondes over 21 who want to hang with him.

Interesting info Frazz. Aren't they smart little deviants

Badger, that is great news about Bo! Be sure and let us know any info you find out about his appearances. I would like to see him again. I really hope his health issues are all cleared up. Guy sure has had some tough breaks since he got off AI

According to Bo, he's just fine now and is even starting to gain a few pounds.

Good for him!! That makes me happy!

I'm glad Bo is doing better. I'm still wish I had been able to see him in concert, but he had to cancel because of his surgery. Someday maybe I'll get to see him. I'll wait patiently for a new CD from him, hopefully with his music.

Wow. So much has been going on here today! I was busy on a project (Frazz, I'll be emailing you in a few!)

Anyway, FC, just to let you know that GB has ALWAYS been assy to the girls on GS. That's what I've been screaming from the rooftops about!!! That they love him and they email him with an innocent question and then he says something totally asinine. He's got like 10 fans left and he's hellbent on alienating them! He truly believes that no matter what he does, he'll still have a slew of fans!

It is true he still has some die-hards on GS who refuse to give up on the whole thing about him being a saint and how EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE printed about him is all about someone hating on him or it's not factual and EVERY SINGLE PERSON who talks about what an ass he is, is not being truthful or is secretly a hater. There are some people left on GS who. it won't matter if they DO see him on freakin' "To Catch a Predator" will still make excuses for him! Oh, he didn't know she was 13! They trapped him! He thought he was going there for milk and cookies!!! He was just gonna BABYSIT the poor girl who's parents left her all alone! No, HE DID NOT send a picture of his penis to her! That was someone PRETENDING to be him!

Still, every time he does it, he loses a few more. Now, Johnny Depp can afford to lose a handful of fans. GB CANNOT!!!!

I truly think, with this kind of behavior, he must be on drugs. I really really really think so. Either that or he's a total sociopath. One or the other. No rational person acts like he does without ever apologizing or anything. Crap.

The comments were fun to read. Brings back memories.

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I truly think, with this kind of behavior, he must be on drugs. I really really really think so. Either that or he's a total sociopath. One or the other. No rational person acts like he does without ever apologizing or anything. Crap.

The comments were fun to read. Brings back memories

Yes, I enjoyed reading everyone's comments today too...lots of good stuff.

Even if "he" that shall remain nameless is on drugs..which although Johnny Depp did his share of living the high life as well...Johnny Depp still was able to stay interested in one woman for a while and not just go for the teenagers. He seemed to be able to stay form meaningful, long lasting relationships with women who he truely seemed to admire. I don't see the nameless one being able to do that and just acting like a sleazebag, manwhore that wants a different piece every night.

And apparently a woman that is no challenge mentally and is much younger seems to be his flavor of choice these days. When a man of 32 carries on like this for this long...it is just eeewwwwww! Disgusting is just putting it mildly.

Luca, I think drugs/alcohol bring out a person's true personality. Not everyone reacts the same way to a substance. Some just sit and drink alone and isolate. Not our little GB.

Depp is WAY SMARTER, has WAY MORE PEOPLE handling him, has been in the business FOREVER and...most important...wait for it...DOESN'T GET TOO CLOSE TO HIS FANS! He doesn't sit and read his message boards and fanfic. Know why? He's too busy having A CAREER! Good hint that you may not be truly famous? You can maintain email contact WITH ALL YOUR FANS!

Depp might not have been an addict. Some people have a wild time with drugs at a time in their life and then just say "well, that was fun. Don't need to do that again". Then there are the addicts. We're seeing it with all the young girls being arrested. They keep pushing it until they ruin their careers and their lives. It's not funny and salacious anymore. It's just really sad and pathetic.

Guess what? If GB was that level of fame? (which he NEVER EVER will be) he'd be in the same boat because he'd be getting into better parties and scoring better (FREE!) drugs.

Yes, he's a total ass, but this goes so much deeper. It's a complete lack of empathy. Also a complete disregard for his own self-worth. It's one thing not to care what people think about you (aka Whoopi Goldberg) and have real confidence. It's another to just trash your life away. To continue to flush your life down the toilet and just not give a damn.

GB is no Johnny Depp! He wishes. Really at this stage of the game do you think he will change?

Badger, Helllo! And thank you for bringing Bo news! I really really love him. I cannot wait for his new cd.

Good morning ladies!!

Truer words never spoken Aerwin - GB is no Johnny Depp!! Aw, Johnny - and he is finally marrying his long time lady love! Good for him and I hope they have lots of happiness for many years.

OK, I have to ask Abrahammy or Austin SPILL!! What the heck did GB do on GS this week? Lord I hate to have to go over there and hunt down the info. Did he get mad at a poster for something she said? Did he call someone a bitter whore again? From Ohio?? Well, we do know that Con has been known to use drugs. I wonder if it is getting out of hand now? I just don't get the taking underage girls to bars thing. Maybe he thinks getting in the tabloids is good exposure. Maybe he thinks it will give him street cred Or maybe he was just hoping for an "eight way"

Badger, if you don't follow Constantine this thread may baffle you at times Most of us here at this board started out as Con fans and that is how we met each other. That is one good thing that Constantine did!

Guys, I told Badger to start a Bo thread when his CD is out and his tour starts so that we can find video links and info. I know several here like Bo.

GE, hurry and finish your project!! I've missed you !

Firecracker - here's the post from Constantine that caused the fuss:

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Off to work but wanted to chime in a bit here...believe what you want but the reason that seats were still available is because B&B decided it was too difficult to accommodate the out of state folks. Granted some will be coming but having to clear each person would be too much hassle. There was an awesome response but it was too overwhelming for their little office to deal with so they hired a company that does audience wrangling. Trust, Idol has a hard tme filling every seat and they use the same company as do all the shows. Now I am no Burt Reynolds but I can still draw a crowd here and there. HAHA!! So the only thing that is "sad" is your negative energy.

Peace,
C~

He would have been fine if he had stopped after "wrangling." The comment about negative energy was aimed at a particular person.

The news about the gaggle of underage dates has not hit GS yet and I don't care to tell them. I wonder what they will do when his album sells 10,000 copies instead of 100,000. Maybe he will just stay on B&B. I don't think I'll watch. I am really actively disliking it at the moment. I still think his acting is fine, but the writing of Rick and Phoebe is really quite aggressively bad.

Well in regards to B&B, I now only watch Con clips (which have been few and far between of late) because Rick and Feebs are all kinds of awful

Thanks for the info on the Con post. Didn't seem too bad. Clearly he was being defensive. I know nothing about the event he is talking about since I don't follow what all he is doing. I assume there was a bad turn out for something, someone remarked about it being sad and he felt the need to defend "why" people were not there. But, considering some of his past posts this one wasn't all that bad. I just wonder if what he said was true or a way to cover what really happened. Clearly we know he can draw at least 7 ladies!

Weird GS hasn't seen the new scandal yet I assumed certain fans hunt for everything. I do go to "ONTD" a few times every day to see what the lastest gossip is and there has been nothing about this event. Maybe he is not seen as a worthy draw at that site!! Oops, is that too negative?

OK, like him or not; jerk or not; on drugs or not; pedophile or not (J/K) this is pretty funny!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_KyxpCfQsQ

Thanks for the link. Yep, that was pretty cute! And even if he has habitual trouble with not being able to laugh at himself, he did it there. It was a good promo for him. I have to say my Constantine experiences in the past 24 hours showcase why I teeter on the edge of the fandome and don't leave. Besides the fact that there are people from GS that I have met and talked with about substantive things and wish to remain friends with.

Stay because he is a "Constant" source of things to talk about!! He is The Good, The Bad and The Ugly! That's the soap he should be on


(oh, and his hair looked really good on The Soup)

Funny, weird clip! I can remember how I liked to watch him during AI, but now...........but now I wonder why? I don't find him the least bit appealing and the facial expressions are hilarious! Of course catching up and reading everything posted here is interesting, amusing and sometimes leaves me saying, HUH?